Comments on: Ohio State Recruiting Open Thread

By: The People's Buckeye

The People's Buckeye — Mon, 25 Feb 2013 18:56:23 +0000

What about Gonzorrhea?

By: Tony the "Quacking Duck"

Tony the "Quacking Duck" — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 21:14:44 +0000

Thanks Carl …. What really bothered me was the way Urban handled the situation. He should have shown the kids some respect and given them a day to digest what had just happened. Although we did lose one recruit ……. he went after four 4-star recuits within 2 hours of the announcement. I have no respect for Urban Meyer. The guy is a low life and leech.

TPB – Just got check up with the Doc …… clear of any Gonzo-itis.

By: The People's Buckeye

The People's Buckeye — Mon, 11 Feb 2013 17:36:52 +0000

He’s been stricken with Gonzo-itis.

By: gulfportcarl

gulfportcarl — Thu, 07 Feb 2013 19:17:46 +0000

I have come to like Tony, but he want to have a pissing contest over the loss of one recruit.

By: Annapolisbuckeye

Annapolisbuckeye — Thu, 07 Feb 2013 14:35:16 +0000

“OSU is trying to hijack Oregon’s history and tradition.”

And that right there is where you have gone completely off the deep end. I was thinking about this very idea before I even saw your comment.

When I think history and tradition in college football, Oregon is the last thing that comes to mind. Although you’ve done a lot to sway me over the past few seasons Tony, it is one reason I really didn’t like Oregon. Until the past few seasons (about the time Kelly came in) when I thought of Oregon I saw a team that was more concerned with the daily look of their uniform than the “program.” I thought of a team filled full of hot shots and individuals who could care less about the larger “program.” I thought of RoboDuck which to me is a perfect representation of what I perceived Oregon football to be.

Granted, your participation on this forum has helped me move away from that perception. I also think that Chip Kelly has done a lot for changing that perception in recent years but until very recently, my impression of Oregon was anything but “history and tradition.”

Ohio State, Michigan, Wisconsin, Ole Miss, (and I can’t believe I’m about to say this) Notre Dame, these are the type schools I think of when I think of History and Tradition.

If you’re saying a program’s history and tradition are based strictly on their coaching staff and their style of play, I’ll give them back to about 2007 when Kelly took over the offense. You might even be able to justify going back to 10 years or so. That’s not a lot of “history and tradition.”

As for a shot in the NFL, a team that will get national coverage, a team that will be ranked in the top five if not higher this year and for the foreseeable future, a team that will be playing with a clear shot at the national championship this year and quite possibly in the next few seems like a good choice for a kid who wants a chance at getting to the NFL.

By: gulfportcarl

gulfportcarl — Thu, 07 Feb 2013 03:01:11 +0000

I here your point , but in the long run dosen’t mean squat. Because your coaching staff has been at Oregon for many years is great, but dosen’t mean they are any better than some one else’s staff that has only been together a few years. They have been all coaching for many years regardless of how long there tenure is at one school, they can all coach or they wouldn’t be coaching a this level. For that reason I am not buying you argument.
As far as the B10 goes I don’t see anyone running a spread offence it all looks pretty conventionable to me. I don’t see Urban Meyer running any spread-quick stricke offence.
OSU shut down your gimmick ball so did Alabama twice I believe. All of the top division one schools run the same basicly the same offences. Alabama, LSU, Notrte Dame, Ohio State, Michigan and the list goes on. Times have not chnged power football is the name of the game.

By: Tony the "Quacking Duck"

Tony the "Quacking Duck" — Thu, 07 Feb 2013 01:37:22 +0000

Urban Meyer, Everett Withers, Tom Herman, Ed Warinner, Kerry Coombs, Tim Hinton,
and Zach Smith were all hired this season.

Stan Drayton and Mike Vrabel were hired last season

70% of your coaching staff was hired this season….. 90% of your staff in the last two seasons. It sure looks like they decimated the program and now Urban Meyer has started from scratch.

Your trying real hard to connect these current coaches with the tradition and history of tOSU. I really don’t think that Meyer (86-87) or Hinton (85-86) were real impact Grad Asst coaches. None of the other coaches on staff (exception-Fickell) have any other previous coaching history with tOSU.

Urban Meyer brought in his own coaching staff and is trying to run a Chip Kelly style offense. It looks like tOSU is trying to hijack Oregons history and tradition and play like the DUCKS. Back in 2010 Rose Bowl you folks said that this wasn’t “real football” …..this is “gimmick ball”. It would never work in the Big 10, etc, etc …… How times have changed.

On the recruiting front …… you guys had a good day.

By: Annapolisbuckeye

Annapolisbuckeye — Wed, 06 Feb 2013 21:20:58 +0000

From the recruiting front, looks like good day to me. Vonn Bell is a huge plus and so is Clark at WR.

Looks like by the end of the day we will have at least a top 3 class if not better.

By: Annapolisbuckeye

Annapolisbuckeye — Wed, 06 Feb 2013 21:10:16 +0000

Yes. That’s it Dave. The “Program” for lack of better terms is a transcendent concept which rises above the individual parts.

An important part of that program, one which I intended to point out earlier, is the way players and coaches return to Ohio State. Bruce, Tressel and Meyer (Cooper was a fluke) were all OSU assistants before taking over as head coach. Meyer and Tressel started their coaching career at Ohio State (don’t know about Earl).

Sure, Fickell was new as head coach but he is not new to Ohio State. Same with Vrable. These and other’s like them all have long histories with the “program.” Tony is making it out like Meyer was starting from scratch and that this is an Urban Meyer program, not an Ohio State program. Anything but.

By: Dave Smith

Dave Smith — Wed, 06 Feb 2013 20:54:09 +0000

Tony,
I think you are mistaking a Program with a System. The coaching staff is not a program. The program is the sum of all of the parts. The players, the history, the coaches, the fans.. all of it. The Ohio State program is above any of the parts. Systems change with coaching staffs, but the program simply builds upon itself.
Plus.. in addition to Fickle, our current staff includes other former players and former assistants. Meyer , himself, was a former grad assistant under Coach Bruce. All of the former players and coaches did indeed help build the program to it’s past, current, and future successes. You have to also keep in mind that Urban’s system lends itself to a different type of running back. A 170lb RB was never going to be a prototypical NFL running back no matter where he went. If Urban got his mits on Beanie Wells, we would have still been an NFL running back.